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Stan Weiss 04-21-2024 10:10 AM

Am I correct in that the 2 engines were dynoed at different places?

Stan

Matt1970gto 04-21-2024 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Stan Weiss (Post 6499306)
Am I correct in that the 2 engines were dynoed at different places?

Stan

Our engine builder dynoed both & then we carried them to another place to try & do some tuning. Dad’s dyno sheet I posted was from the engine builder & mine from the other. have the ones in the shop if I can find them of where it was dynoed at the place where I posted mine. Best I remember peak hp to peak hp was 2 hp difference between the two. 1109 vs 1111.

Matt1970gto 04-21-2024 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Stan Weiss (Post 6499306)
Am I correct in that the 2 engines were dynoed at different places?

Stan

Here is one dads pulls from the same place. Dad’s pulls were made @ 300 vs mine @ 600. 11hp difference in our avg hp #s.

Stan Weiss 04-21-2024 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt1970gto (Post 6499316)
Here is one dads pulls from the same place. Dad’s pulls were made @ 300 vs mine @ 600. 11hp difference in our avg hp #s.

Thanks for the new dyno sheet.

True but his is over a 2000 RPM range and yours is over a 1400 RPM range.

Stan

Stan Weiss 04-21-2024 12:06 PM

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When you look at dyno sheets, you need to look at all of the numbers.

These are your Father's HP curves from the 2 dyno sheets.

Stan

Dave Polichena 04-24-2024 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt1970gto (Post 6499031)
Your mph is down , your wedge motor not wedging?

Had to put the Hi Port motor back in after breaking a valve spring in Orlando. Wedge motor is back on the stand, almost finished, try again soon..

Matt1970gto 04-24-2024 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Polichena (Post 6499766)
Had to put the Hi Port motor back in after breaking a valve spring in Orlando. Wedge motor is back on the stand, almost finished, try again soon..

What made you go with the wedge over a set of tigers? Hell I’ve been asking myself why we went the RA5 route .

Stan Weiss 04-25-2024 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt1970gto (Post 6499901)
What made you go with the wedge over a set of tigers? Hell I’ve been asking myself why we went the RA5 route .

I think your Father's engine turned out quite well. I would be interested in how much better you think it would have been with Tiger heads? For me the elephant in the room is. If your engine was to a sister engine to his why did it turnout so much different?

Stan

Dragncar 04-25-2024 04:40 PM

How have the Super Wedge heads turned out on big time engines ?
There does not seem to be a lot of info on them.

Matt1970gto 04-25-2024 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan Weiss (Post 6499963)
I think your Father's engine turned out quite well. I would be interested in how much better you think it would have been with Tiger heads? For me the elephant in the room is. If your engine was to a sister engine to his why did it turnout so much different?

Stan

Different person rework my heads & built my intake. Based on the flow #s he got he recommended the bigger cam & header tube specs.
Not sure it would’ve turned out better but it sho would’ve been cheaper. I have saw tiger builds make good power & some not make good. Our 5 builds looked good on dyno but on the track I’ve yet to see a performance upgrade. We’re at Charlotte for the 4 wide so I will have a better idea tomorrow but I ran 9.90 @ 158 here in 17 with my 535 edelbrock combo that had a 1200 quick fuel. I just put a 1175 carb on my motor so we’ll see how it does. Dad ran 8.90 @ 165 with his 535 edelbrock combo & has been 8.90 @ 165 with his 5 combo. We added 30-35 cubic inch , head flow cfm went from 420s to over 500 & both got bigger cams.

Matt1970gto 04-25-2024 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragncar (Post 6500060)
How have the Super Wedge heads turned out on big time engines ?
There does not seem to be a lot of info on them.

I personally only know of one person running them so I can’t say. There’s not many big hp RA5s out there either that I am aware. Naturally aspirated that is.. My goal for this build was 1150 on a single carb. I’ve gotta find some reputable to look at my heads. Had a guy keep them all winter only to tell me they needed too much epoxy work to make right I’m better off starting fresh…. Starting fresh I got 7 passes on this build it’s fresh fresh.

slowbird 04-25-2024 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt1970gto (Post 6500120)
I personally only know of one person running them so I can’t say. There’s not many big hp RA5s out there either that I am aware. Naturally aspirated that is.. My goal for this build was 1150 on a single carb. I’ve gotta find some reputable to look at my heads. Had a guy keep them all winter only to tell me they needed too much epoxy work to make right I’m better off starting fresh…. Starting fresh I got 7 passes on this build it’s fresh fresh.

How many passes you average a yr? How much maintenance are you willing to do?

Stan Weiss 04-26-2024 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt1970gto (Post 6500119)
Different person rework my heads & built my intake. Based on the flow #s he got he recommended the bigger cam & header tube specs.
Not sure it would’ve turned out better but it sho would’ve been cheaper. I have saw tiger builds make good power & some not make good. Our 5 builds looked good on dyno but on the track I’ve yet to see a performance upgrade. We’re at Charlotte for the 4 wide so I will have a better idea tomorrow but I ran 9.90 @ 158 here in 17 with my 535 edelbrock combo that had a 1200 quick fuel. I just put a 1175 carb on my motor so we’ll see how it does. Dad ran 8.90 @ 165 with his 535 edelbrock combo & has been 8.90 @ 165 with his 5 combo. We added 30-35 cubic inch , head flow cfm went from 420s to over 500 & both got bigger cams.

Would happen to have a dyno sheet from that engine that you could post?

For 5 combo I get

1000 Foot ET = 7.5289
1/4 Mile ET = 8.9009
1/4 Mile MPH = 165.4635

Stan

Matt1970gto 04-26-2024 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Stan Weiss (Post 6500149)
Would happen to have a dyno sheet from that engine that you could post?

For 5 combo I get

1000 Foot ET = 7.5289
1/4 Mile ET = 8.9009
1/4 Mile MPH = 165.4635

Stan

I doubt I still have a sheet but it made 987 hp 775 trq & mine made 974 hp 823 trq. Dad went 5.27 @ 132 1.149 60 wide open in the 1/8th on a single carb & 5.19 @ 134 w/two 1050s. I went 5.29 @ 129 1.150 60 with a single carb. Can’t remember when dads was built but I started the 2016 season with mine. Broke the crank snout doing a burnout August of 17.

Matt1970gto 04-26-2024 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by slowbird (Post 6500139)
How many passes you average a yr? How much maintenance are you willing to do?

In the past 4 years not many. Cancer ran crazy on both my parents sides of the family (not on my parents) so we didn’t travel much.

Definitely not looking for a high maintenance build.

Stan Weiss 04-26-2024 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt1970gto (Post 6500119)
Different person rework my heads & built my intake. Based on the flow #s he got he recommended the bigger cam & header tube specs.
Not sure it would’ve turned out better but it sho would’ve been cheaper. I have saw tiger builds make good power & some not make good. Our 5 builds looked good on dyno but on the track I’ve yet to see a performance upgrade. We’re at Charlotte for the 4 wide so I will have a better idea tomorrow but I ran 9.90 @ 158 here in 17 with my 535 edelbrock combo that had a 1200 quick fuel. I just put a 1175 carb on my motor so we’ll see how it does. Dad ran 8.90 @ 165 with his 535 edelbrock combo & has been 8.90 @ 165 with his 5 combo. We added 30-35 cubic inch , head flow cfm went from 420s to over 500 & both got bigger cams.

Would you happen to have a time slip from this run?

Trying to see where my simulation is off'

This what I get for the Edelbrock

1000 Foot ET = 7.4941
1/4 Mile ET = 8.9009
1/4 Mile MPH = 161.2443

Stan

Matt1970gto 04-26-2024 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan Weiss (Post 6500183)
Would you happen to have a time slip from this run?

Trying to see where my simulation is off'

This what I get for the Edelbrock

1000 Foot ET = 7.4941
1/4 Mile ET = 8.9009
1/4 Mile MPH = 161.2443

Stan

Probably not it’s been 4 years since dad ran that combo . I’ll see if i can one of his old logbooks

Matt1970gto 04-26-2024 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan Weiss (Post 6500183)
Would you happen to have a time slip from this run?

Trying to see where my simulation is off'

This what I get for the Edelbrock

1000 Foot ET = 7.4941
1/4 Mile ET = 8.9009
1/4 Mile MPH = 161.2443

Stan

I found a time slip with his DCI5 motor.
7.502 1000 ft
8.891 1/4
164.39 mph

Stan Weiss 04-26-2024 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt1970gto (Post 6500241)
I found a time slip with his DCI5 motor.
7.502 1000 ft
8.891 1/4
164.39 mph

Thanks.

1000 Foot ET = 7.5067
1/4 Mile ET = 8.8873
1/4 Mile MPH = 164.3879

Stan

Matt1970gto 04-26-2024 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan Weiss (Post 6500251)
Thanks.

1000 Foot ET = 7.5067
1/4 Mile ET = 8.8873
1/4 Mile MPH = 164.3879

Stan

Service is crap here at the track & the picture wouldn’t download. I had to dad on our last time run & the bearing came apart in the rearend right past the 330.


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