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The Boss 09-14-2013 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bentwheelbob (Post 5020912)
Boss - this one's for you. Thanks for answering the call of duty when I dial your number.

http://s1285.photobucket.com/user/be...f4825.mp4.html

My neighbors are all thrilled that I have a new car...

Next time spin 2nd & chirp 3rd!

;)

BTW - Thanks for the video!

Baron Von Zeppelin 09-14-2013 07:08 PM

Nothing but pure awesome groovy-ness
455HO Formula 4spd would be my top choice for any car made in 1972 .

good ol BurningwheelsBob throws out a hail mary and scores with the long shot


Great stuff Bob and Steve :beerchug:

Tunas73TA 09-14-2013 07:25 PM

Nothing brings a smile like a nice tire spinning launch!

Well,
That and this random pic that fits my mood today:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...psaf3aedd0.jpg

Pepi 09-14-2013 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bentwheelbob (Post 5020912)
Boss - this one's for you. Thanks for answering the call of duty when I dial your number.

http://s1285.photobucket.com/user/be...f4825.mp4.html

My neighbors are all thrilled that I have a new car...

That was good. Always good to keep the neighbors happy. :p

keith k 09-14-2013 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by West Coast GTO (Post 5020966)
Boy, here come probably this years stupidest or ignorant question: I thought the M21( Rockcrushers) whined, do the M22's whine noticeably and can I assume that my car does also have a M22( 73 original trans) ?
BTW, ignorance doesn't mean stupid, only lacking information( I put that in there for my own good). :)

The trans that's called a "rock crusher", and has the greatest reputation for "whining"... IS the M22.

Bentwheelbob 09-14-2013 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Boss (Post 5021047)
Next time spin 2nd & chirp 3rd!

;)

BTW - Thanks for the video!

Man, you're hard to please. Since my first post on March 9, 2012 you have asked 78 people on PY to post a burnout video. After all that time you finally get one posted and it wasn't quite abusive enough. No wonder you're not married....har, har.

Actually, if you notice at the tail end of the video a neighbor pops over the crest of the hill heading the other direction and discretion kicked in pretty quickly.

Bentwheelbob 09-14-2013 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepi (Post 5020923)
I am so jealous of your garage!! :jaw:

Looks good, and congrats on your new acquisition.

Thanks, it's my favorite room in the house. With the arrival of the Black Car it got infinitely better.

The Boss 09-15-2013 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bentwheelbob (Post 5021230)
Man, you're hard to please. Since my first post on March 9, 2012 you have asked 78 people on PY to post a burnout video. After all that time you finally get one posted and it wasn't quite abusive enough. No wonder you're not married....har, har.

Actually, if you notice at the tail end of the video a neighbor pops over the crest of the hill heading the other direction and discretion kicked in pretty quickly.

...and the credit goes to you for posting one! Unfortunately it would appear we are in the minority here. :noidea:

I saw that - figured you weren't going to go sideways in 2nd when they crested that hill. BTW - not married by choice this time around - 8 years & counting & she's still here....I'm a lucky guy! :D

njsteve 09-15-2013 12:03 PM

You goshdarn juvenile delinquents and yer hotrods, disturbin' my neighborhood!

muscle_collector 09-15-2013 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Boss (Post 5021401)
...and the credit goes to you for posting one! Unfortunately it would appear we are in the minority here. :noidea:

I saw that - figured you weren't going to go sideways in 2nd when they crested that hill. BTW - not married by choice this time around - 8 years & counting & she's still here....I'm a lucky guy! :D

I agree with you on that one.

RicksGTO 09-15-2013 01:49 PM

Photobucket was in some weird mode, figured it out. Nice video, too bad the neighbor popped over the hill!

West Coast GTO 09-15-2013 02:01 PM

O.K.
Earlier in this post Bentwheelbob makes a reference to the M22 trans whining. I guess my question should have been: does the H/O cars all have M22's rather than M21's or was that an option?

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Originally Posted by keith k (Post 5021178)
The trans that's called a "rock crusher", and has the greatest reputation for "whining"... IS the M22.


njsteve 09-15-2013 03:35 PM

All the 1971 and 1972 455HO four-speeds were M22s. It was the mandatory transmission for that engine option.

Bentwheelbob 09-22-2013 05:33 PM

Well Steve didn't leave me much to do on the Black Car, but there are a few things. Mainly I have been trying to get the Truck finished so I can get it off the lift and get the Black Car up in the air for a thorough inspection of Steve's handy work. Here's the truck story from the PY Lobby:

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=727561

There were a few things that were on Steve's list that I have inherited including the oil slinging A/C compressor. After having the car for only a short time I concurred that this was an issue and purchased a compressor pulley shield from Eckler's and got it installed today. Below is a picture.

http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5f5f9af5.jpg

njsteve 09-22-2013 08:08 PM

Bob,

You need to get the new "RQ" air cleaner decal that ECS Automotive finally produced. Give them a call.

Bentwheelbob 09-23-2013 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by njsteve (Post 5026711)
Bob,

You need to get the new "RQ" air cleaner decal that ECS Automotive finally produced. Give them a call.

Got them ordered. Of course now I will need to bead blast and paint the air cleaner so that the bottom looks as good as the top. I also ordered a 1972 455HO emission decal and extra RQ decal for the Red Car post engine and driveline transplant.

Charles at ECS said that their phone had been ringing a lot today for the RQ decal.

unruhjonny 09-23-2013 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by West Coast GTO (Post 5020966)
Boy, here come probably this years stupidest or ignorant question: I thought the M21( Rockcrushers) whined, do the M22's whine noticeably and can I assume that my car does also have a M22( 73 original trans) ?
BTW, ignorance doesn't mean stupid, only lacking information( I put that in there for my own good). :)

I've never understood why some people cal any Muncie a 'Rock Crusher'...
As mentioned earlier, the one really alluded to by the term 'Rcok Crusher', is only the M22;
Which had the same gears ratios as the M21, but used straight cut gears - which made the whine.

It's absolute music...

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Originally Posted by West Coast GTO (Post 5021586)
O.K.
Earlier in this post Bentwheelbob makes a reference to the M22 trans whining. I guess my question should have been: does the H/O cars all have M22's rather than M21's or was that an option?

IIRC what I've read correctly, the M22 was developed for the Corvette, and as such, was seldom used in a non-Chevrolet;
Once again, if my memory serves me correctly, the muncie transmissions used in Pontiac's goes like this
1967-1973 wide ratio = M20
1967-1970 close ratio = M21
1971-1972 close ratio = M22
1973 wide ratio = M21*
(iirc there has been some speculation as to actual transmissions used for 1973, and I believe early in the 1974 model year, the only four speed available was the Borg Warner Super T-10)

This thread is great...

The '72 and '73 Formulas both look great!

Held for Ransom 09-23-2013 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bentwheelbob
Charles at ECS said that their phone had been ringing a lot today for the RQ decal.

I don't why it took so much convincing to get them to make them. Hopefully you know where to place it.

Bentwheelbob 09-23-2013 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Held for Ransom (Post 5027355)
Hopefully you know where to place it.

HFR - Thanks for your post(s) - this is very timely. I saw your post on the 455HO thread and the picture showing the air cleaner and RQ decal. I was planning on being lazy and replying with a question about the proper location for the air cleaner decal. I assume your picture shows the correct approximate location of the decal within assembly line standards? I am sure I could do a search here and find much debate about the proper location, but right now I am in favor of less debate and more leadership.

What's the current majority view on location?

Thanks for all your contributions sheparding the Pontiac faithful.

Regards,

Bob

PB 09-23-2013 10:12 PM

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